Talk:Tajbeg Palace assault

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Please check sources

First three currently quoted internet sites (two of them are Russian language) are hardly reliable sources. I am looking in a book (a reliable secondary RS) by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World, Basic Books (2005), ISBN 0-465-00311-7, pages 401-402. It provides a lot of detail, including the following. The palace was stormed by 700 members of Alpha and Zenith forces. Over 100 of special forces were killed and wounded, including the head of training school in Balashikha. Since so many people died, Andropov decided not to put their portraits on official display in a place of honor at the "Center", as usual. So, unless there are other secondary RS which dispute this version, let's consider this version the "majority view". My very best wishes (talk) 03:39, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Right now this is mostly based on the single primary source [1] published in "News of Russian Military Industrial Complex". My very best wishes (talk) 03:53, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The whole article needs to be properly written. There are many books that discuss the incident.[2] --Niemti (talk) 07:24, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. There are numerous books, and they should be used. For example, according to this book [3], the palace was defended by more than 2,500 Afgan soldiers if I understand correctly. My very best wishes (talk) 14:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See this. My very best wishes (talk) 14:30, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, the group Zenith was merged in the early 1980s into the newly-created group Beta (also having many other names and known in Wikipedia as Vympel, it was created from Zenith and Kaskad/Cascade). Grom/Thunder was just a part of Alfa, I believe. --Niemti (talk) 15:36, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They were run by different KGB directorates [4]. My very best wishes (talk) 16:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are significant discrepancies between sources. Some claim that Amin was in Darul Aman Palace, others that he was in Tajbeg Palace. Who is right? My very best wishes (talk) 16:24, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this page (english version) so different from the russian one? On russian page there is '20 killed', with details and even some names, while english version says about 'hundreds were killed'? 88.81.227.26 (talk) 13:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can't speak for the RU wiki but the sources here are solid. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

“Background” and “Aftermath” sections

Although currently nobody cares about expanding of the article, but if collaborative editors will come here some day in the future, they can use two sections “Background” and “Aftermath”, as well as some tweaks made by the edit [5] (some of which are not easily recognized due to the stupid MediaWiki diff algorithm). All this was immediately and summarily twinkled on a false pretext.

Of course, there are many sources about Taraki and Babrak Karmal, but I am not interested in searches for English-language sources, nor am I not willing to provide Russian-language sources for an English-language article. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added again the background section in order to make the article cleared to understand.--HC PUNXKID 16:46, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Entire Article Needs Revamping

As the above Wikipedians have noted, this entire article needs a dramatic revamping. I primarily make minor grammatical changes to articles (I'm just getting my feet wet as a Wikipedian), but I have no problem taking on more major edits. I want to do it the right way, however. That said, I concur that the following problems exist throughout the article: (1) insufficient, inaccurate, and unreliable sources, and (2) overall poor readability and grammatical usage.

I initially started to fix just the latter, but quit after realizing the whole article needs such drastic revamping. --Percinr1819 (talk) 19:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Botched" in lede

Given the extensive documentation in the body of the article of organizational and executional failures in the operation, it seemed to me that describing the operation as "botched" had ample consensus. However, @136.49.32.166: disagrees. I'd like to discuss this here - is there general consensus that the word "botched" be added to the lede? 69.172.145.94 (talk) 20:58, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bare URLs tag

I added this tag as the references section needs some cleaning. Petra0922 (talk) 01:01, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is removed. There was a bare URL but the issue is fixed. Petra0922 (talk) 09:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 May 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved as uncontroversial (non-admin closure) ExtorcDev (talk) 15:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Storm-333 → Tajbeg Palace assault – Needs moving to a functional descriptive title, per WP:NCE, and away from the operational title name, per WP:MILMOS: "Operational codenames generally make poor titles, as the codename gives no indication of when or where the action took place..." Iskandar323 (talk) 07:08, 15 May 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 06:40, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Casualties

The total casualties in the infobox are attributed to this Global Security report. Notwithstanding that GlobalSecurity.org is not a WP:RS (see WP:RSP), I am having difficulty seeing where the source supports the breakdown of casualties in each instance and the total? Cinderella157 (talk) 10:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]